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Hello Everyone:

I heard a great message this morning about persistence, about pressing on, or as Lewis & Clark wrote in their journals, “proceeding on” in their journey to discover new lands, people and ways of life and living.

Whether you are a marketer faced with helping your firm create brilliant strategy, a lawyer, architect, developer, financial consultant or anyone who is faced with helping clients solve problems, or a service provider, consultant or partner who helps the above do what they do best, I thought the following might be nice for you to keep in mind this week as you do your best to Press On.

From the 30th President of the United States, Calvin Coolidge, who was admitted to the bar in 1897, the following:

Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘Press On’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. —-Calvin Coolidge

As you go about your business this week, rely on your talent, your intellect and your genius, but when you find yourself challenged, frustrated or tired for whatever reason, just remember that Determination and Persistence, and Pressing On, will help you find success when the rest is in short supply.

Have a good week everyone.

My best to each of you.



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Respected marketing consultant Ed Poll posted comments in his Law Biz Blog about the growing trend in firms to hire non-practicing lawyers to “sell” the firm, or to develop business, and wondered whether this would actually catch on. 

 Here are the thoughts I shared based on the time I’ve spent in sales and business development with not only professional service firms, but also in corporate America:

The model Ed is discussing is seen frequently in other professional services firms.  In fact, it is uncommon in these cases for BD/salespeople to have the professional license or degree of those who will do the work.  I understand there are ethical restrictions to this in law firms.  These business development specialists, or salespeople, “work” the community full-time, spread the good word and reputation of their firm, and watch out for opportunities.  When they spot them, they pursue them—all day every day.  It is also common for them to then send in “the troops;” those who will hopefully perform the work for the potential client.  This relieves some of the burden of selling from the professionals, or in the case of Ed’s blog post, the attorneys, but brings them in at the crucial time to talk specifics about the needs of the client and how the firm might match those needs.

With competition for business and clients the way it is today, I would imagine we will continue to see this trend grow in law firms and all professional services firms.  It truly is a position that can pay for itself with a small amount of business every year.

In my opinion, this doesn’t eliminate the responsibility of all attorneys, architects, financial planners, etc., and professionals to develop business, and to get “out there” whenever possible, and even to pursue business when the opportunity presents itself.  What is important is to make sure salespeople, rainmakers and business developers in every firm are comfortable talking to potential clients, that they know how to network, how to ask questions and to truly listen to potential clients.  Then, and only then, they have earned the right to begin selling and matching skills to needs.

Nancy Myrland


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There’s been a lot of discussion lately about the importance of conducting client satisfaction interviews.  Their importance can and should not be underestimated. 

Last week, I attended a 4-day marketing conference in L.A., during which I listened to Steve Rodgers, head of Litigation at Intel.  He was part of a panel on client teams and client satisfaction interviews.  When asked if client satisfaction interviews were important, and who should conduct them, Steve said there were things he could not say to the face of his attorney, and would appreciate the intermediary. 


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Thursday was another great day at the LMA Conference in Los Angeles.  Even though I was 3 hours off on my internal clock, and it is the middle of the night, I have a few thoughts to share with you that I think you and your firm might find useful.  They have to do with your clients and what they want from your firms and your attorneys.

One of the most powerful presentations of the day was facilitated by veteran marketer and Zeughauser Group consultant, Mozghan Mizban.  Panelists included Zeughauser colleague, Melissa Hoff, Client Development Manager from Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison, David Wolber, and last, but definitely not least, Steven Rodgers, Director of Litigation for Intel.

Steve’s comments were worth the price of admission as he is in the position of evaluating, working with, and maximizing Intel’s use of dozens of law firms, soon to be only 6 after next week.

The discussion centered around client teams and client service interviews.  A few thoughts Steve shared when asked about the law firm/client relationship from his vantage point at Intel are to be noted and shared with your attorneys, along with your suggestions and/or a plan for what your firms and attorneys can do to become what Steve, and others like him, need:


“It all comes down to trust.  There are probably hundreds of firms that could handle specific issues for us without any difference in the outcome.”

Bottom line:  Steve just gave what amounts to a free pass to those firms that get how to become trustworthy to him on an ongoing basis.  I suggest you work to figure out how to do that.

When asked what is important for law firms (to know and do for Intel), Steve wants the following:

  • “I want a firm that cares about understanding what I want and what I need.”
  • “I want firms who truly seek to understand me….who know me so well they could almost do my job.”
  • “I want firms who come to me and say ‘Here’s what we perceive to be your situation and here’s what we think you should do.’ “

What does this mean?  Spend some time learning how to that which Steve described above.  It’s not rocket science.  It just takes deliberate, authentic, ongoing effort.

Another question asked of Steve was how firms get to know him:

  • “They ask.”
  • “Only 2 Managing Partners have called me in the past several years.”

His point:  He isn’t hard to get to know if you just spend time asking him what makes him tick, what 3 things are bothering him, or are important to him, and checking in with him on a regular, unbilled basis to make sure you understand him.  Only then can you truly perform intelligent legal work truly based on his needs.

When asked what he thinks of the client satisfaction interview process, and who should conduct these interviews:

“There are things I am just not going to say to somebody’s face, so having an intermediary is key.”

Regarding how many of the firms Intel uses have client teams devoted to Intel:

“I’d be willing to bet I can identify which of my firms have client teams and communicate regularly.”

His point here was that it becomes completely transparent when firms form client teams around his work and Intel, meaning they communicate strategically, methodically and with purpose about how best to take care of Steve and Intel.  It takes time and thought, but it can and should be done.

Someone asked Steve what was important for the relationship manager to know:

  • Put my needs ahead of the firm’s
  • Be powerful enough in the firm to advocate for what I want and need.
  • Sometimes it’s hard to tell who they work for….Intel or the firm
  • They tend to think of things before I do.

Steve’s comments are not to be taken lightly.  I would advise all firms with clients to sit down and think how to deliberately create the situation Steve has outlined.  Do it now before you find yourself in the position dozens of firms will be in next week when he narrows his choice of firms down to six.

Don’t give all the Steve Rodgers of this world the opportunity to even think about being frustrated, or to find a need to whittle their numbers of firms down.  Sit down and think hard about how to make individual clients happy, then set about doing it—tomorrow—or go ahead and start today if you have time!

Here’s to another valuable day of information for law firm attorneys and marketers from the LMA Conference!  Good job conference organizers and all those involved.






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For those of you who were not able to come to the conference this year, I am truly sorry as there is so much here that is worthwhile, and that keeps all of us as legal marketers more valuable to our internal and external clients.

For you, and for those who are coming to the conference but were not able to participate in the pre-conference programs, I wanted to let you know you missed an outstanding day with the Quick Start program.  I know I have shared this with you in the past, but this program has grown to be applicable to marketers at all stages of their careers.

Quick Start participants were greeted by what I will call the Rock Stars of our marketing profession.  The value of being in the same room with those who presented, not just to pick their brains, but for them to share the latest and greatest in what we need to do to be successful, was worth the price of the conference itself!

We started out the day with the always brilliant and entertaining Ross Fishman of Fishman Marketing, who showed us what it really means to differentiate our websites and other communication through a very carefully crafted branding and differentiating approach.

Deb Knupp, Managing Partner of Akina, someone who has enough electricity in her personality to light up L.A. (and that’s a very good thing by the way), then taught how to become effective coaches to our internal clients, our attorneys, as they prepare for, or improve upon, this world of sales and business development they must take responsibility for, with your help, if necessary.

We then heard from PR pros John Hellerman and Helen Bertelli from Hellerman Baretz, who helped participants understand why we need to know and understand PR, and how to craft pitches that will stick with media.  We were given many examples of good and bad pitches, and had hands-on experience crafting some of our own.

No conference would be the same without our friend from Australia, Sue-Ella Prodonovich, Principal of PTB Consulting.  As Ross stated, Sue Ella has become so well known and loved among marketers that she is simply known as “Sue-Ella,” not because we can’t pronounce her last name correctly, but because she’s terrific and offers an approach that makes the necessary, everyday act of conversations attorneys have with clients seem much more effective and fruitful.

Followed by another friend who hails from Dubai (see, you can’t just get this international perspective just anywhere friends!), Clinton Swan, BD Manager with the firm Clyde & Co. helped us understand how you need to add value to what you offer your attorneys by helping us understand that BD strategy must come from overall firm strategy at many levels.

Good heavens…..if we could bottle the wit and wisdom of Russell Freund, drink it and share it (does that sound a little weird-sorry!), we would all help our lawyers understand why we are so indispensable.  Russell helped outline six of the most common barriers to successful law firm marketing.  Who doesn’t need to know how to overcome those?!

Then, with the challenge of being the last two speakers of the day, especially when the pretzels and cookies ran out during the break right before them, David Freeman, CEO, David Freeman Consulting, and his colleague and BD Consultant, Craig Brown hit a home run by engaging all of us with the fast-paced, interesting, witty presentation about how to deal with, and even maximize, the many opportunities that exist for you when laterals are brought in to the firm.

It was an outstanding beginning to the conference, and it hasn’t even begun!  The Welcome Reception is going on downstairs as we speak, or rather, as I write.  This is a great time to renew old acquaintances, meet many new friends, and to continue upon this learning curve we all need to keep riding for the rest of our days.

I’ll be in touch whenever possible to let you know how things are going.

Have a great week.